Nov 23, 2016
Starling Tribune - Season 5 Edition – Vigilante (A CW Network
DCTV Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast)
The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network
“Vigilante” [Season 5 Episode 7]
Wednesday, Date November 16, 2016
Director: Gordon Verheul
2x Arrow | 2x Andromeda | 33x Arrow as Dir. Photography + 12
Smallville & 50 Andromeda
Writers: Ben Sokolowski
17x Arrow | 2x Flash
Emilio Ortega Aldrich
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date /
01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89
02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94
03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79
04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87
05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61
06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95
07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86
08 Invasion 30-Nov-16
09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16
10 Who Are You TBD
11 Second Chances TBD
Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters
- What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link
to the ep. name
- Introducing the new baddie, Vigilante
- Questioning what it means to be a
- Is being a vigilante/hero doing the job?
- Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
- (Stealing from the Flashbacks) Fight with Kovar - Damn!!
- Fight with the scary masked bank robbers
- Ragman with the bullet shield
- Diggle bringing the pain (transition to some diggle chat maybe
- Flashbacks: Share your thoughts
- Dinner with Kovar
- He is intrigued by Oliver
- Taiana’s mother works for him; children went missing a year
ago, so he helped her out
- Made deal with Bratva
- “Questioned” Ollie for a week
- Fight with Ollie
- Is he doing enough? As Mayor? As Green Arrow?
- Been trying to be a hero for four years
- Scolds recruits - you can’t be angry at me being the killer as
The Hood and like Vigilante
- Goes on a date with Susan Williams
- Cabin fever - getting antsy because in Arrowcave or Hive
- Missed JJ’s 2nd birthday
- Works out a lot….probably missing something else too (wink,
- Bonding with Rene
- Helps Lance get the help he needs
- Realizes that Prometheus knows who Ollie is
- Uses “Mom” voice on team
- In the field to help with “robbery”
- Quentin Lance
- Resigns as Deputy Mayor
- Tells Thea about cut and throwing star
- Agrees to go to rehab
- Tries to conquer the salmon ladder, but doesn’t
- Makes odd jokes
- Tells Ollie to call him “Mr. Terrific” in the field
- Wild Dog
- Helps Diggle by arranging birthday party with son and Lyla
- Still calls Felicity “Blondie,” but is becoming more of a team
- Practices archery
- Knows what the fighting sticks are
- Uses the fact that women can’t walk the streets without getting
harassed to her advantage
- Mole for Prometheus
- One liners
- Team lines up in formation behind him to protect from
- Helps Artemis question guy
- D.A. Adrian Chase
- Tells robbery suspect that he’s “been to hell”
- Knows where Dunn the bank robber is
- Likely Vigilante
- Susan Williams
- Knows a Russian journalist
- Plays pool to win
- Getting Ollie to like and trust her
- Tells Ollie that he should do things the right way even if it
- Gregor made deal with Ollie
- Likely using Ollie
- Where’s Anatoly???
- OMG - that last scene! Knows Artemis
- Michelle’s List O’Suspects: (Being bold by eliminating some
this week due to developments)
- Tommy Merlyn
- Robert Queen
- Adrian Chase (but
more likely to become Vigilante)
- Billy Malone (he “heard on the street” that Prometheus was a
threat to the Arrow; very eager to learn where Green Arrow
- Helena Bertinelli
(but I would rather see her as either Huntress or head of the
- Slade Wilson (being Deathstroke right away could give his plan
- Talia al Ghul (see
this week’s news)
- New: Quentin Lance
(likely a red herring) (in rehab)
- Roy (he’s been mentioned, he’s had access to arrows, and he
might have seen The List)
- Viktor (SP’s add; he did see the list - shown in the season
CURRENT EPISODE DC EASTER EGGS & POP CULTURE REFERENCES
Season 5 Episode 6 “So It Begins” (Date: 10 Nov
- Vigilante - But we’ve done that at least once before — and we
think twice, so at this point we think it’s pretty well-covered
ground that Adrian Chase was in the comics a costumed antihero
known as Vigilante before he eventually took his own life out of
the remorse he felt for abandoning the rule of law he had sworn to
uphold his entire adult life.
- The Torah - “Is that from the Torah?” Oliver asks Rory before
the Moby-Dick metaphor starts. That’s a not-so-subtle nod to
Ragman’s Jewish heritage, which has been mentioned before. It's
worth a note that Rory and Felicity's Jewish heritage makes the
current incarnation of Team Arrow probably the most diverse groups
of superheroes ever assembled on TV, with Oliver being the only
non-ethnic male on the team. It's happened without much in the way
of the fanfare and attention these things usually get, so it seems
worth at least a mention.
- Channel 52 - Here, it's Channel 52’s news story when Oliver is
checking on Dunn.
- McGuire’s ? - It's not clear whether McGuire's (which could
also be Maguire's or McGwire's) bar is actually meant to be a
reference, but if it is, it's likely to Bridget McGuire, who was an
art director on Arrow's first two seasons.
- ..IS THAT A 'ROCKY IV' REFERENCE? - Because it's Dolph Lundgren
playing a big Russian, we're going to be looking for references to
Rocky IV pretty much every week until we're sure we've seen one.
That said, wrapping his hands in gauze like you do before you put
your boxing gloves on (yes, we know his hands were injured.
Still!), and then having him unleash a hail of haymakers on Oliver
carries a little bit of an Ivan Drago context to it, doesn't
- John Jr. - This is the first time we've seen John Diggle, Jr.
actually appear onscreen! He's a cute kid. He also, if you
remember, used to be Sara Diggle (named for the
then-dead-now-better Sara Lance) before Barry Allen traveled back
in time and changed history in the "Flashpoint" event.
- HUB CITY - "The Marshals are halfway to Hub City by now," Lyla
Michaels tells Diggle. Hub City, a fictional city in the DC
Universe, is best known as the home to The Question, a self-taught
urban shaman. While The Question didn't appear when Oliver visited
the city last year, mystic Esrin Fortuna seemed like she had a
similar role (and since there was a female Question for a while,
some fans on Twitter briefly wondered whether that could be what we
were seeing unfold).
- Moby Dick is a novel written by Herman Melville in 1851. The
narrator is Ishmael, and he recounts his time on the whaling ship
Pequod under the command of Captain Ahab. Ahab recklessly pursues
the white whale, Moby Dick, noted for destroying whaling ships.
Ahab’s wooden leg is a result of an encounter with Moby Dick.
- SP’s add: Judge Balderama - Oscar Balderama. Show Writer
- Stephen Amell’s 3rd Annual F*ck Cancer Campaign (Date: 13
From the website: "Hello friends! It's time once again to represent
a cause that has turned into something bigger than any of us could
have imagined. Get a shirt! Get a hoodie! Finally... Fuck Cancer".
-- Stephen 100% of the proceeds go towards F*CK Cancer. T-shirt,
hoodie, sweatshirt among the items available. Campaign ends
- Stephen Amell attacked by Arrow fan (Date: 14 Nov 2016)
Stephen Amell put up on his Facebook page: Dude came up to me
yesterday... Head Butts me hard. Outta nowhere... Then says -- "I
want to fight the Green Arrow." Paused, looked at him... shook his
hand and said no thank you. Because I'm a father and a husband.
Pretty manly if you ask me.
- People’s Choice Awards (Date: 15 Nov 2016)
Stephen Amell is up for Favorite Social Media Celebrity and Arrow
and The Flash have been nominated for Favorite Network
SciFi/Fantasy Show. Voting ends Thursday, Dec. 15 at 11:59 PM, ET.
- NEW ARROWVERSE CROSSOVER PROMO OFFERS FIRST LOOK AT THE
DOMINATORS (Date: 15 Nov 2016)
In a new promo for
the upcoming crossover between “Arrow,” “The Flash,” “DC’s Legends
of Tomorrow” and “Supergirl,” the Dominators rear their ugly heads.
The video reveals a few glimpses of the “Arrow”-verse’s latest
threat: yellow, mind-controlling aliens with needle-like teeth and
large red spots on their foreheads. Eagle eyes will spot a glimpse
- All in the Family (Date: 18 Nov 2016)
Highlights from the article in Entertainment Weekly: The crossover
story involves the Dominators, mind-controlling space invaders
alarmed by Earth’s surging population of metahumans. 15 characters
from the 4 shows will assemble in an aeronautics facility that’s
part of STAR labs. This is when Barry Allen introduces Supergirl to
the group. At first Diggle is not sure why Supergirl is special,
but gets impressed when she hovers. Berlanti is not a fan of the
shows being called the “Berlantiverse.” According to him, “There
are just so many people that are also part of this. Plus, you never
want anything named after you that people could be upset or angry
about.” The creators like that the shows are steeped in genuine
relationship drama and that they are about something. “These shows
have to work on multiples levels,” says Berlanti, “You want them to
be enjoyable. But if they’re not about something, why are you
showing up to work every day and asking everybody to pour their
heart and soul into a story if it’s only about the Flash fighting a
villain of the week?” As for bumps in the road the shows have had?
Berlanti says, “We certainly made errors along the way. But that’s
been part of the fun, too.” Tidbits about each show after the
crossover: Arrow - Prometheus
should be unmasked soon. “Always in our midseason finales, we like
to revisit the big bad,” hints Berlanti. The
Flash - The annual Christmas episode is set to be
tearful and will also flesh out villains Savitar and Dr.
Alchemy. Legends: Captain Cold
and Malcolm Merlyn join the Legion of Doom.
Supergirl: A cliffhanger teases the
introduction of a famous Superman-Supergirl baddie that has been
- All In The Family: Inside DC’s Ultimate Superhero Crossover
(Date: 10 Nov 2016)
See the stars of 'Arrow,' "The Flash,' 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow,'
and 'Supergirl' get together. A slideshow of images from the EW
article and stills from the crossover.
- The First Big Story Details For the CW/DC Crossover Event Are
Here (Date: 16 Nov 2016)
Supergirl: After some Thanksgiving
drama, the epic superhero crossover kicks off when Barry Allen
and Cisco Ramon seek Kara’s help with an alien invasion on
their Earth. The Flash: When
aliens called the Dominators attack Central City, Barry speeds over
to Star City to ask the Green Arrow for help in stopping them.
Realizing the battle against the Dominators is bigger than they
thought, they track down the Legends of Tomorrow, and Barry and
Cisco create a breach to bring back a secret weapon – Supergirl.
Once all of the super friends are assembled, they come up with a
plan to attack but a shocking secret related to Flashpoint is
revealed and suddenly no one is sure who they can trust.
Arrow: The 100th episode - Oliver
wakes up to a life where he never got on The Queen’s Gambit.
Robert and Moira Queen are alive and well. Laurel is his loving
fiancée and their wedding is imminent. Everything seems perfect,
but Oliver starts to notice small imperfections that make him
question this new reality. Meanwhile, Felicity and the recruits
take on a new threat with help from The Flash and Supergirl.
Legends: After learning the
Dominators’ plan for the world, the Legends must work together with
The Flash, Supergirl and Green Arrow to kill them once and for all.
Meanwhile, Stein figures out, with the help of others, how the team
can terminate the Dominators, but is distracted by the aberration
he realizes he created in 1987.
- 'Arrow' Season 5: Dolph Lundgren On Konstantin Kovar Guest Arc
(Date: 16 Nov 2016)
Lundgren told AccessHollywood.com more about his new role, what
convinced him to join the show and about meeting "Arrow's" Stephen
Amell while the series star was in what sounds like his flashback
sequences wig. When asked if he was having fun doing the show,
Lundgren replied, “Yes, it has been a blast. It's fun to play this
character. I think he was well-written and I have a lot of fun with
it, and the fact that I don't really know where it's going is
interesting because I have to keep the character alive sort of
within myself over quite a long period of [time]. ... I know it's
going to be six months for sure because I'm doing some stuff in
February. So yeah, that's interesting. And yeah, it's sort of
endearing to have this Kovar fellow be there almost every day in my
life too, to be ready for the next shot. So I'm enjoying it. I'm
sure the future will be even better.”
GENERAL DC TV NEWS
- CW sets Riverdale premiere date; Supernatural, Legends of
Tomorrow moving timeslots (Date: 16 Nov 2016)
DC’s Legends of Tomorrow will move to Tuesdays at 9 p.m. ET
starting Jan. 24. Legends of Tomorrow airs its season finale on
- The Flash in Vancouver’s Victory Square with Iris West &
big bad Savitar? (Date: 10 Nov 2016)
Is that the god of motion Savitar in the motion capture suit? The
Flash season 3’s Big Bad. Seen was the latest of a sequence with
the Flash, Iris West and a mo-cap actor believed to be season Big
Bad Savitar in the southwest corner of the park. The mo-cap actor
is big next to the Flash.
- Savitar: The Flash’s newest speedster, explained (Date: 14
The series is bringing in the villainous Savitar for the current
third season. Savitar was brought into the “Flash” comics way back
in 1995’s “The Flash” (Vol. 2) #108 by writer Mark Waid and artist
Oscar Jimenez. Savitar has the ability to transfer speed from one
being to another. Thus, he’s able to power an entire army of ninjas
with energy from the Speed Force, using them to steal speed from
existing speedsters. We soon learn that Savitar is a
self-proclaimed god who formed a Speed Force-obsessed cult for
himself, developing a messiah complex along the way. Savitar got
his powers amidst the Cold War as a fighter pilot that accidentally
broke the sound barrier.
- Justice League Dark Trailer Released (Date: 15 Nov
The trailer is just under two minutes, but it packs in plenty of
action. The footage shows the Justice League scrambling to end a
global phenomena being caused by dark magic. When it comes to
casting, Justice League Dark nabbed several big names from the DC
Animated Universe. Jason O’Mara will voice Batman while Matt Ryan
will play Constantine. Zatanna will be voiced by Camilla
Luddington, Deadman by Nicholas Turturro, and Etrigan by Ray Chase.
Rosario Dawson will play Wonder Woman, and Superman will be voiced
by Jerry O’Connell. Justice League Dark is expected to hit DVD,
Blu-ray, and Digital HD in early 2017.
- IS DC’S KOBRA DEBUTING IN THE CW’S SUPERHERO CROSSOVER?
(Date: 15 Nov 2016)
In addition to the arrival of the pointy-eared antagonists, the
teaser also included the first look at Citizen Steel’s helmet, the
return of Deathstroke — and the first glimpse of a new,
intimidating logo we haven’t seen before. Now, the question arises:
who’s icon is that? In a recent report, it was revealed that the CW
version of the Dominators utilize a form of mind control, a
departure from their comic book counterparts. The logo seen in the
trailer has us thinking, perhaps there’s another, longer-lasting
reason the alien invaders will be employing this technique in their
battle for Earth. In the comics, the Kobra Cult is a terrorist
organization dedicated to controlling the world. In short, exactly
the sort of group the Arrowverse loves to introduce as foils to its
heroes, and one whose debut during a crossover of this magnitude
could lay the seeds for multiple storylines across future seasons
for every DC/CW show.
GREEN ARROW COMICS & TOY NEWS
- Green Arrow #11 - Murder on the Empire Express Pt.2 (Date:
16 Nov 2016)
* There’s no business like the war business, and business is
booming-or it will be once the world learns of the brutal
assassination of one of its most critical leaders at the hands
of…Green Arrow?! [OK, actually Eddie Fryers] Trapped with a killer
hundreds of feet below the ocean, Oliver, Black Canary and John
Diggle must solve a murder before his undersea voyage ends-and with
it, peace in our time.
* Written by Benjamin Percy, Pencils, Inks and Colours by Juan E.
Promo for Next Week: Episode - “Invasion!” (Date: 16 Nov
Episode: “Invasion!” [Season 5 Episode 8]
Air Date: Wednesday,
November 30, 2016
Summary: ARROW CELEBRATES 100
EPISODES; THE EPIC SUPERHERO CROSSOVER CONTINUES — Oliver (Stephen
Amell) wakes up to a life where he never got on The Queen’s Gambit.
Robert (guest star Jamey Sheridan) and Moira Queen (guest star
Susanna Thompson) are alive and well. Laurel (guest star Katie
Cassidy) is his loving fiancée and their wedding is imminent.
Everything seems perfect, but Oliver starts to notice small
imperfections that make him question this new reality. Meanwhile,
Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) and the recruits take on a new
threat with help from The Flash (guest star Grant Gustin) and
Supergirl (guest star Melissa Benoist). James Bamford directed the
episode with story by Greg Berlanti and written by Marc Guggenheim
& Wendy Mericle (#508). Original airdate 11/30/2016.
Marc Guggenheim, Wendy Mericle, Greg Berlanti (story by)
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