Dec 22, 2018
Starling Tribune - Season 7 Edition – Elseworlds (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) ST222
Episode: “Elseworlds”
Part 1: Flash [Season 5 Episode 9]
Part 2: Arrow [Season 7 Episode 9]
Part 3: Supergirl [Season 4 Episode 9]
Air Date: December 9 - 11, 2018
Director: Part 1: Kevin Tancharoen
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1160495/?ref_=tt_ov_dr
Part 2: James Bamford
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051466/?ref_=tt_ov_dr
Part 3: Jesse Warn
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1168394/?ref_=tt_ov_dr
Writers: Part 1:
Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg, and Geoff Johns
Written by: Eric Wallace and Sam Chalsen
Part 2:
Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg
Teleplay by: Marc Guggenheim
Story by: Caroline Dries
Part 3:
Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Ali Adler, and Andrew Kreisberg
Teleplay by: Derek Simon and Robert L. Rovner
Story by: Marc Guggenheim
Part 1 IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8312896/?ref_=ttep_ep9
Part 2 IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7508702/?ref_=tt_ep_nx
Part 3 IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8883894/?ref_=ttep_ep_cur
Current Episode Recap
Full recap of “Elseworlds” with spoilers:
Part 1: (09 Dec 2018) https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/12/09/the-flash-recap-with-spoilers-elseworlds-part-one/
Part 2: (10 Dec 2018) https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/12/11/arrow-recap-with-spoilers-elseworlds-part-two-/
Part 3: (11 Dec 2018) https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/12/12/elseworlds-part-three-recap/
Arrow
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Inmate 4587 15-Oct-18 1.43
02 The Longbow Hunters 22-Oct-18 1.18
03 Crossing Lines 29-Oct-18 1.15
04 Level Two 5-Nov-18 1.08
05 The Demon 12-Nov-18 1.26
06 Due Process 19-Nov-18 1.03
07 The Slabside Redemption 26-Nov-18 1.31
08 Unmasked 3-Dec-18 1.35
09 Elseworlds Part 2 10-Dec-18 2.06
Legends Of Tomorrow
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 The Virgin Gary 22-Oct-18 1.00
02 Witch Hunt 29-Oct-18 0.94
03 Dancing Queen 5-Nov-18 0.86
04 Wet Hot American Bummer 12-Nov-18 0.90
05 Tagumo Attacks 19-Nov-18 0.91
06 Tender Is The Nate 26-Nov-18 0.97
07 Hell No, Dolly! 3-Dec-18 0.93
08 Legends of To-Meow-Meow 10-Dec-18 1.10
Supergirl
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 American Alien 14-Oct-18 1.52
02 Fallout 21-Oct-18 1.34
03 Man Of Steel 28-Oct-18 1.28
04 Ahimsa 4-Nov-18 1.23
05 Parasite Lost 11-Nov-18 1.16
06 Call To Action 18-Nov-18 1.13
07 Rather the Fallen Angel 25-Nov-18 1.15
08 Bunker Hill 2-Dec-18 1.26
09 Elseworlds Part 3 11-Dec-18 2.17
The Flash
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Nora 9-Oct-17 2.08
02 Blocked 16-Oct-18 1.69
03 The Death of Vibe 23-Oct-18 1.87
04 News Flash 30-Oct-18 1.75
05 All Doll’d Up 13-Nov-18 1.73
06 The Icicle Cometh 20-Nov-18 1.60
07 O Come, All Ye Thankful 27-Nov-18 1.79
08 What’s Past Is Prologue 4-Dec-18 1.78
09 Elseworlds Part 1 9-Dec-18 1.83
BLACK LIGHTNING
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 The Book of Consequences: Chapter One: Rise of the Green Light Babies 9-Oct-18 1.16
02 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Two: Black Jesus Blues 16-Oct-18 1.02
03 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Three: Master Lowry 23-Oct-18 1.18
04 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Four: Translucent Freak 30-Oct-18 0.97
05 The Book Of Blood: Chapter One: Requiem 13-Nov-18 0.90
06 The Book Of Blood: Chapter Two: The Perdi 20-Nov-18 0.99
07 The Book Of Blood: Chapter Three: The Sange 27-Nov-18 1.06
08 The Book Of Rebellion: Chapter One: Exodus 4-Dec-18 0.96
09 The Book of Rebellion: Chapter Two: Gift of the Magi 11-Dec-18 1.13
Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters
- What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
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- The Monitor, in preparation for a bigger threat, gives the Book of Destiny to Dr. John Deegan so heroes of other Earths can be tested. Reality is written for the purpose of this test.
- Fight scenes and stunts
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- Ivo Labs - Amazo
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- “You have failed this city.” “Pretty sure that’s not your line”
- Oliver’s lighting goes wild
- Part 2: Amazo beats Killer Frost and Ralph; gets their powers
- Diaz weapon cache
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- Barry - how do I put on this suit?
- Barry - most awkward zipline arrow landing ever; thought he was going to fire an incendiary arrow
- Barry fights like Oliver; shoots really well and is impressed by his actions
- Oliver comes in and gets Barry and Diggle; Diggle vomits
- Amazo fight
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- Flash, two Supers, and a Green Arrow - try to keep him busy; big Superman punch - doesn’t work; Amazo gets all of their powers
- Amazo beats them; on the hunt for more powers; Wells - just turn the computer off
- Barry - he won’t be able to run and phase at the same time; Oliver lures Amazo back
- Cisco - we got a virus; Barry starting to sound like Oliver: Supergirl punch; two supers hold whild Oliver phases; Barry: “Amazo, you have failed this city.” Shoots arrow with virus and hits
- Diggle vs. Deathstroke’s son
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- 4 Argus agents go down quick; Diggle about to be taken down
- CW DC Trinity (Green Arrow, Flash, Supergirl) help him
- Gotham
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- Oliver - Gotham is basically dead
- Muggers
- Supergirl catches bullet; Barry takes down guys; Oliver has to talk Barry down; 3 get arrested
- Arkham
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- Diggle, Cisco, and Caitlin show up
- Kara’s idea: pretend Caitlin is a patient; Diggle and Oliver pretend to be investigating
- Prisoners released by Deegan
- Oliver dresses Barry in outfit
- Killer Frost vs. Fries; Oliver messes up and releases Scarecrow’s fear toxin
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- Oliver “fights” Reverse-Flash
- Barry “fights” Merlyn
- Reality: they’re fighting each other
- This is when Oliver realizes Barry’s had to go through some tough stuff too
- Good editing
- Batwoman breaks it up; great kick
- Diggle takes on a lot of inmates
- Oliver puts inmates back into cells
- Some about to get away; Barry has arrows; Cisco gets hit by van - here comes Batwoman! Batarang comes back to her
- Supergirl looks for book; gets it
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- Confrontation with Monitor
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- Mar Novu vs. Green Arrow, Supergirl, Flash and Flash
- E90 Barry blipped away
- Crisis is coming; testing universes; need to find champions; first to retrieve book; takes book; tells Deegan to think bigger
- Trigger Twins
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- Oliver gets them away from cops
- Deegan made himself Superman - black outfit
- Superman vs. Trigger Twins; Oliver shoots crane loosen by Superman; they make Superman go save the kids
- Barry - you just can’t write yourself as a hero; become heros in spite of circumstance
- Star Labs
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- Superman, Criminal Cisco, Barry and Oliver arrive
- Cisco vibes out
- Oliver vs. Diggle and Killer Frost in elevator
- Alex ready to take down Barry
- Getting book to Clark
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- Superman vs. Superman
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- Real saves helicopter
- Fight in air; buildings
- Kara blasts Deegan away
- Book in Time Vault; Supergirl not strong enough; gets book to Clark
- Supergirl and all get powers back
- Oliver as Green Arrow stands in elevator, took care of Diggle and Killer Frost
- Deegan and Supergirl eye blast battle; Oliver ready to kill Deegan; Barry - you can overcome your darkness, Oliver; maybe test is for us to be our better selves
- Slow down time
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- Barry and Kara run in opposite directions to create enough force to stop Earth; Superman - I saw them die in the book
- Oliver - hope destiny can be rewritten; goes to Monitor; busts his way in; you said you were a god, so do something; your test is to find the good ones; I know true self, I’m full of darkness, Barry and Kara inspire hope and are the best of us; Monitor - balance must be maintained
- Superman - out powers amplify who we really are
- Deegan brings back Amazo
- Brainiac, Lois, and Martian Manhunter; Brainiac goes after Amazo
- Lois uses hammer to knock down Deegan; Deegan uses book as weapon against Lois and Clark
- Time slows; Lois falling; Barry and Kara about to burn; Oliver arrives, walking normally, shoots special arrow at book; book destroyed; Deegan deformed
- Brainiac rips out Amazo’s motherboard
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- Intros
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- Part 1: The Flash - regular intro
- Part 2: Barry Allen does the intro; I’m working with the police after being in prison
- Part 3: I’m Deegan from Gotham, city needs heros, did my part as doctor at Arkham, world didn’t understand methods, got book; now I’m Superman
- Reality rewrite 1: Barry Allen is Oliver Queen and Oliver Queen is Barry Allen
- Reality rewrite 2: Barry and Oliver are back to old bodies, but they’re criminals without powers; Superman is a God; Cisco is a crime boss
- Oliver Queen / Green Arrow
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- Knows he’s Oliver Queen, but world thinks he’s Barry
- Kiss from Iris - running joke: Iris always says Oliver is not her type
- Has to get used to Flash’s powers
- Blames Barry at first
- What is going on? Could you be serious, Barry?
- Iris - your life is ruled by anger and violence; Felicity’s been talking to her
- To escape, has to learn how to phase
- Puffs chest when meets Superman
- Tries to train Barry. Where are the remote bows? Oliver catches arrow. 4 years - Barry gets revenge by remote arrows in his back. Thinks Barry’s life is all sunshine and rainbows. Oliver runs at Barry; Barry gets him
- Lesson = painful memory; draw on darkness when draw bow; seeing Barry happy as Green Arrow made him jealous. Barry - when I’m happy, I run faster
- Sketches what Cisco vibed and realizes they need to go to Gotham
- Didn’t tell Felicity because of issues
- Batman is an urban legend; Oliver Queen is a public figure, so Barry shouldn’t go to Gotham
- Steals Gotham PD’s hard drive
- Barry tells him to fix things with Felicity; we’re evolving, but I still love you and all that
- When things get rough, Barry digs deep and runs faster; figures Kara is that way too
- What deal did he make with the Monitor??????
- Oliver - smiles; he admits to liking Kara
- Oliver and Barry at bar: Oliver as Flash - always hungry and worn shoes, clarity in running; because of Barry, learn to be a better man; refuses to hug it out with Barry
- Toast - “To appreciating what you have, however long you might have it”
- Gets call from Batwoman - Deegan making friends with Psycho Pirate
- Barry Allen / Flash
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- Fights Diggle; thinks it’s the Bunker at first; thinks it’s cool he’s the Green Arrow
- Salmon ladder
- Is this Freaky Friday or Quantum Leap? Gets serious when he learns Oliver woke up with Iris
- We need to get to Kara; to escape, has to dislocate thumb; tells Iris personal stuff, lighting rod
- Iris tells Barry that she doesn’t want him to turn into Oliver Queen
- Hey, Oliver put on the mask, my identity isn’t public
- Gets flown to Gotham by Kara
- Tells Kara about Oliver’s sketchy romantic past; finds Bat-signal; big Batman fan
- Being a criminal makes him physically sick
- Go get Cisco, go get real Superman
- Oliver - you’re CCPD, where do criminals hang out
- Tells criminal Cisco he knew his brother; Oliver - how would you like to get rid of Superman? Teaches criminal Cisco how to breach
- Kara Danvers / Supergirl
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- Earth-38; on Kent Farm with Clark
- Recognizes Oliver and Barry
- Goes to Earth-1 to help; meets Batwoman
- Has a Bruce Wayne on her Earth
- No Kara Danvers on Earth-1; perhaps pod didn’t land on Earth or Krypton is still around
- Too afraid to be a woman? - to Deegan as Superman
- Trapped in pipeline
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- Her personal plea goes to Alex; story from childhood; tells Alex that her Alex is a leader and knows who she is; Alex lets her out
- Clark Kent / Superman
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- Writes about his own feats for his job
- Lois - direct, fixes things; “You’ll catch me”
- Helps with Amazo, then goes back to Earth-38
- Goes back to Earth-1 to save Kara and stop “Superman”
- Knows how to handle the book
- Leaving with Lois to go to Argo, Lois in pregnant, proposes to Lois at the Fortress
- World find with just Supergirl
- Lois calls him Smallville and Kansas
- Kate Kane / Batwoman
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- Bails out 3; do what you need to and get out of my city
- Batman and Bruce Wayne missing 3 years; Wayne Enterprises is busted
- One R&D guys still works there (Fox?) and wifi password is Alfred
- Real estate firm
- Flirts with Kara; realizes Kara is Supergirl
- Team Flash
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- Don’t believe them; Iris drugs Oliver with Palmer nanities; both end up in pipeline; learn that cells have hidden toilets
- Iris convinces team to believe Oliver and Barry
- Team Arrow
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- Diggle - you know after everything I shouldn’t be surprised
- Team Supergirl
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- Alex is Alex, even in rewrite
- Geek Squad
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- Cisco
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- Figures out weather is weird
- Vibes Monitor with Deegan
- Goes to Earth-38 to get team and Superman; Lois joins
- Can still vibe in rewrite 2
- Felicity
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- Upset she’s the last to know about Oliver and Barry
- Upset learns Iris figured things out quickly
- Figures out there are quantum breaches
- What’s love without trust and respect?
- We need to build a quantum breach thing
- Curtis
- Caitlin
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- Gives Felicity pep talk about Oliver
- Killer Frost tells Alex to get out more
- Dr. Deegan
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- Monitor tells him to think big
- Experimented on patients brains
- Works at Arkham
- When confronted, releases prisoners
- As Superman
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- Home base is Star Labs
- Diggle, Killer Frost, Alex Danvers are employees
- Needs ego boosted constantly
- Monitor
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- Addresses them when Cisco vibed
- Talks to Oliver and Barry about their destiny; without powers, still outwit Superman
- Reads Oliver like a ….book
- Must know true self in order to win
- Noteable Easter Eggs (not from an article)
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- Earth-90 Flash - Barry Allen - tells them about book; appears similar to comics; - played by John Wesley Shipp - sees Diggle and asks him where his ring is - Green Lantern???
- Bratvas fighting Bertinelli’s in old Diaz weapon’s cache
- “Save Me” played when go to Kent Farm; farm same as in Smallville, song is Smallville’s intro
- Amazo - Ivo labs; Argus made to id meta-powers; nano-adaptive hybrid of Mirakuru serum; Ivo was in previous season of Arrow
- “Man, it’s not even Tuesday” - said by Ralph; Flash usually airs on Tuesdays
- Superman music when Clark opens shirt first time; Who are you? “A friend”
- Red skies - associated with Crisis
- Kara - on her Earth, Batman and Superman are “frenemies”
- Arkham inmates: O. Cobblepot (Penguin), P. Isley (Poison Ivy), B. Karlo (Clayface), “What is blue and grey and red all over?”, E. Nigma (Riddler), M. Guggenheim (writer); Bane mask? Fries (cryostasis shut off, has to be cold),
- Psycho Pirate - has big role with Anti-Monitor; worlds will live, worlds will die (http://collider.com/elseworlds-psycho-pirate-explained/)
- World’s Finest - in comics, Batman and Superman
- Diaz is a cop: “I’ve been waiting to do this for a long time” - Diaz to Oliver; similar to their confrontations
- Superman’s black outfit; “Bizzaro” is heard during Superman/Superman fight
- Gary! From Legends - bartender; fanboy as always; is he wearing his Time Bureau badge/pin? “Not heroes. Legends”
- Jimmy Olsen - in rewrite, Superman’s worst pal; in reality, he’s his best pal
- Slow down time by Earth’s orbit
- Kara - So this is kind of becoming an annual thing, huh?
- Crisis on Infinite Earths - teased since Flash S1
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- Arrowverse's Crisis On Infinite Earths Teaser Warns Worlds Will Die (12 Dec 2018)
- https://www.cbr.com/crisis-infinite-earths-arrowverse-teaser/
- Fall 2019 - Just crossover or all of the first part of the seasons?
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