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Jan 17, 2017

Starling Tribune – Season 5.5 Edition – Legends Of Tomorrow Justice Society Of America (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) #135


The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network


Episode:            “Justice Society of America” [Season 2  Episode 2]

Air Date:           Thursday, October 20, 2016

Director:      Michael Grossman  

                   1x Legends | 3x Star Trek: Enterprise | 2x The Originals | 2x Eureka | 5x Charmed


Writers:       Chris Fedak

5x Legends | 3x Forever | 17x Chuck


Sarah Nicole Jones  

3x Legends | 3x Forever | 8x Longmire


Weekly Ratings


Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Out Of Time 13-Oct-2016 3.01

02 Justice Society of America 20-Oct-2016 2.83


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Adventures of Supergirl 10-Oct-16 3.06

02 The Last Children of Krypton 17-Oct-16 2.66

03 Welcome to Earth 24-Oct-16 2.65

04 Survivors 31-Oct-16 2.22

05 Crossfire 7-Nov-16 2.47

06 Changing 14-Nov-16 2.35

07 The Darkest Place 21-Nov-16 2.61

08 Medusa 28-Nov-16 3.53

09 Supergirl Lives 23-Jan-17


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Flashpoint 4-Oct-16 3.17

02 Paradox 11-Oct-16 2.80

03 Magenta 18-Oct-16 2.67

04 The New Rogues 25-Oct-16 2.80

05 Monster 1-Nov-16 2.77

06 Shade 15-Nov-16 3.01

07 Killer Frost 22-Nov-16 2.95

08 Invasion! 29-Nov-16 4.15

09 The Present 6-Dec-16 3.14

10 Borrowing Problems From The Future 24-Jan-17


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89

02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94

03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79

04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87

05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61

06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95

07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86

08 Invasion! 30-Nov-16 3.55

09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16 1.94

10 Who Are You 25-Jan-17

11 Second Chances TBD

12 Bratva TBD

13 Spectre Of The Gun TBD

14 The Sin-Easter TBD


Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

  • What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link to the ep. name
    • We meet the JSA in this episode
  • Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
    • First fight - JSA against Legends (because, you know, teams have to fight when they first meet)
      • Vixen v. Sara - animals powers for the win
      • Obsidian turns off the lights
      • Steels knocks out his own grandson
      • Stargirl v Firestorm - staff for the win
      • Dr. Mid-nite - takes out Rory
      • JSA kicks Legends butt
    • Second fight - BAR FIGHT!!!!!
      • Started by Ray “Boy Scout” Palmer because he refused to salute Hitler after Stein stopped singing
      • Lots of punching; Vixen’s cover is blown; saved by JSA
    • Third fight - going after Super Nazi and amulet
      • Plan falls apart because Stein can’t strategize
      • Sara makes the call to retreat; Ray and Vixen left behind
    • Fourth fight - A plan finally comes together
      • Sara and Rory get Ray and Vixen - Sara beats Nazis in hallway
      • Ray uses microscope as a weapon; Vixen smashes chair to free self
      • Firestorm, Steel, Mid-Nite attack main Nazi group
      • Nate comes with motorcycle to save Steel - bombs
  • Time Travel: Share your thoughts
    • 1942 -
      • JSA headquarters; Nate meets grandfather - Steel
      • Go to leave, Nate’s tags - grandpa’s tags - disappear
      • Go back to save JSA - Vixen: what if your arrival causes our deaths?
      • Use powers, impersonate a famous singer - no rules because no Rip?
  • Sara Lance / White Canary  
    • Refuses leadership at beginning - has enough deaths on her conscience
    • Doesn’t want Nate on team
    • Shows leadership during fight
    • Stein calls her the beating heart of the team and says she should lead
  • Ray Palmer / The Atom
    • Superpower is the suit - is he a superhero?
    • Impressed by JSA
    • Has a decent plan to get away from Nazis
    • Makes dose of super serum for self, gives it to Nate to save him - an act that Vixen says makes him a hero
  • Mick Rory / Heat Wave
    • Tells JSA he’s just a criminal and outs Sara as an assassin
  • Martin Stein / Firestorm
    • Rex assumes he’s the leader; likes it - “Captain Grey”
    • Get overwhelmed by command; can’t form plan on the spot
    • Impersonates a singer; good thing Garber can sing
    • Admits Sara is the better leader
  • Jefferson Jackson / Firestorm
    • Firestorm gets to use powers all episode
    • Tells Stein that he’s probably not the best to lead
    • Angry that Stein orders team to leave Ray and Vixen behind
  • Nate Heywood / Steel
    • Meets his grandpa - tags go missing
    • Wants to be more than a historian
    • Sara benches him because he’s a hemophiliac
    • Speaks 6 languages
    • Gets injured while saving grandpa - gets injected with serum
  • Amaya Jiwe / Vixen
    • Focused; not impressed by Legends or their tech
    • Goes to Paris to scout for mission, gather intel; goes undercover
    • Questions Ray’s status as a hero and his plan
    • 5th degree black belt and has weapons training
    • Don’t call her “Animal Lady;” she’s Vixen in the field (this goes against story in Vixen SW Seed series - in that, Cisco names current version)
  • Rip Hunter
    • MIA
  • Gideon
    • Maker of clothes, healer of the wounded, displayer of the maps
  • Justice Society of America (JSA)
    • Rex Tyler/Hourman - doesn’t remember Legends, so his time travel happens after this, but is killed by Thawne
    • Obsidian - creates darkness; knocked out during second fight
    • Commander Steel - an amazing shot; tells Nate that you don’t have to be a soldier to be a hero
    • Dr. Mid-Nite - can “see” even though he’s blind - sonar?
    • Stargirl - cool staff; gets knocked out during second fight
  • Legion of Doom
    • Damien Darhk
    • Eobard Thawne / Reverse-Flash
      • After an amulet Hitler has so gives Nazis a super serum
      • Rex has tried to stop him before, so Thawne kills Rex
    • Malcolm Merlyn



Season 02 Episode 02  “Justice Society of America” (Date: 20 Oct 2016)

  1. THE JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA - The Justice Society of America is DC Comics's first superhero team -- both in the real world and in terms of publishing history. The Justice Society of America was conceived by editor Sheldon Mayer and writer Gardner Fox. The JSA first appeared in All Star Comics #3 (Winter 1940–1941).
  2. VIXEN - Probably the most recognizable member of the JSA's cast this time around was Vixen -- at least for fans of the CWverse. In addition to having her own animated series, Vixen -- an African-American woman who derives the power of animals from the Tantu Totem she wears around her neck -- had a memorable guest appearance on Arrow last season. Of course, that's all Mari. This woman? Mari's grandmother, Amaya Jiwe, who passed the totem down through their family.
  3. HOURMAN - Rex Tyler, also known as Hourman, is a Golden Age superhero and the first of a number of characters to use the Hourman name. Tyler has a number of superhuman abilities, like enhanced strength, reflexes, and healing -- but only for an hour at a time. His abilities are given to him by Miraclo, a drug he designed himself. There is an Hourman legacy including Rex's son Rick and an android from the 853rd Century programmed to act as a member of the Tyler family. The android, at a point in the past, presented Rex with an hourglass infused with tachyons -- time in its most basic form -- and that hourglass would become part of both his and Rick's costumes. Said hourglass has been seen on board the Waverider on previous episodes of DC's Legends of Tomorrow..
  4. STARGIRL - Stargirl is Courtney Whitmore. In the TV series, she exists in 1942 -- but in the original comics, she was created (and existed) in 1999, and was part of a "next generation" of Justice Society members who came up in the late '90s and early 2000s. Courtney Whitmore was created by Geoff Johns and Lee Moder, and has a famous backstory: Johns named her after (and based her personality on) his sister Courtney, who died in the explosion of TWA Flight 800 in 1996.
  5. COMMANDER STEEL - Commander Steel is Hank Heywood, Sr., the first in a line of DC heroes to use variations on the Steel moniker. A legend in the World War II era and a member of the All-Star Squadron and later the Justice Society of America, Heywood's body had surgically-implanted mechanized steel devices that allowed his body to work on a superhuman level. Originally just "Steel," he was promoted to Commander Steel by President Roosevelt in 1940 -- so while this is his first appearance in live action, it's timeline-accurate to call him Commander Steel by this point in his career since the story takes place in 1942.
  6. DOCTOR MID-NITE - Doctor Mid-Nite is a name shared by a number of blind super-heroes and physicians with the ability to see in the darkness, using blackout bombs and martial arts to gain an advantage over criminals. Doctor Mid-Nite was created by Charles Reizenstein and Stan Aschmeier, first appearing in All-American Comics #25.
  7. OBSIDIAN - Obsidian is the son of Golden Age Green Lantern Alan Scott, a founding member of the JSA in the comics. He and his sister Jade would go on to play an important role in the Justice Society's sinoff groups the Young All-Stars and Infinity, Inc., as well as eventually joining the Justice Society itself. He was also briefly affiliated with the Justice League.
  8. LEAVENWORTH - The United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth is a medium-security United States federal prison for male inmates in northeast Kansas. On Arrow, it was revealed that Leavenworth is where John Diggle is being held while awaiting his court martial.
  9. KRIEGER - There are basically two figures who could have inspired Baron Krieger, even though there is no specific Baron Krieger in DC Comics. The first is Baron Blitzkrieg: Originally a World War II German army officer, the man who would be Baron Blitzkrieg was blinded when a concentration camp prisoner threw acid into his face. German scientists experimented on him, giving him injections of experimental drugs which would give him incredible powers for brief periods of time. The other possibility is Albrecht Krieger, who was basically Captain America, but for Nazis. A genetically-modified super-soldier, Krieger also had a mad scientist brother and a psychic  sister we might have to worry about if it's him -- and while the backstory feels a lot more like Blitzkrieg's, Krieger has not only the name but the general look of this week's threat.
  10. MAX LORENZ - Max Lorenz was a famous singer, who lived in Germany around the time of World War II and is widely known as "Hitler's favorite tenor." Of course, it’s a handy thing that Legends of Tomorrow star Victor Garber has the pipes to make that scene convincing.
  11. UBERMENSCH - It's worth noting that there are several references to "Übermensch" in here, which is derived from Nietzsche in Thus Spake Zarathustra, one of the influences for Superman, which is more or less what the word translates to directly. The term can literally translate to "Overman," which in the DC Comics universe is an alternate-universe version of Superman who lives on an Earth where the Nazis won World War II.REVERSE-FLASH - Eobard Thawne, the Reverse-Flash, may have something up his sleeve. At the end of The Flash's Season 3 premiere earlier this month, he said that while his future was as it should be, Barry's might not be. Barry then went home to discover a number of small anomalies that made his life and those of his friends worse. Now, we learn that "somebody" is outfitting the villains of history with future tech in order to push the world to a slightly worse place. Could Eobard Thawne have stepped right out of "Flashpoint" and into "Out of Time?" Either way, seeing him and Darhk together is enough to make seasoned Arrowverse fans quake in their boots even before they know the other members of Thawne's little Legion of Doom.


    Renewal will bring “Arrow” to Season Six, “The Flash” to Season Four, and “Supergirl” and “Legends of Tomorrow” each to Season Three. It will mark “Supergirl’s” second season on The CW, following its freshman outing on CBS.
  2. Laurel Lance's Return Is Further Teased In Synopsis For ARROW Season 5, Episode 10 (Date: 06 Jan 2017)
    OLIVER WANTS JUSTICE; FELICITY WANTS REVENGE — Worried that Prometheus is right and he is truly a killer at heart, Oliver (Stephen Amell) looks for any ray of hope and finds it in what seems to be the miraculous return of Laurel Lance (guest star Katie Cassidy). However, Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards), still reeling from Detective Malone’s murder, is bent on revenge – she wants to stop Prometheus at any cost. While in prison, Diggle (David Ramsey) fights for his life. Gregory Smith directed the episode written by Ben Sokolowski & Brian Ford Sullivan.
    According to executive producer Marc Guggenheim, Donna and the Calculator won’t be back because the show is moving in a new direction. Guggenheim also teased that Felicity will a meet a few people in the back half of the season that are connected to her past. Additionally, he explained that Felicity’s new, darker direction can’t be blamed solely on Billy Malone’s death. Rather, her experiences over the course of the show will culminate in her new attitude. “Billy was the final straw,” he said. “It’s also the sum of the fact that Felicity has been living in this darker world for the last four-plus years now…. How has that affected her way of thinking about things?” He added that this will be directly addressed in Season 5 Episode 11.
  4. ARROW: Greg Berlanti Teases More Appearances From Laurel Lance Across The CW (Date: 10 Jan 2017)
    While it hasn't been confirmed 100%, it's a pretty safe bet that this Laurel is the evil Black Siren from Earth 2, who was originally introduced in The Flash last year. While her motivations remain unknown, Arrow producer Greg Berlanti has teased the character's involvement in more than just the events of Arrow's fifth season. “We made a deal at the end of [season 4] to bring her back for a bunch of episodes. Katie is a part of the fabric of the show. Because the show, like a comic book, can move in different ways, and characters go and come, everybody that’s ever been a part of the key and core ensemble has always had a place at the table for our show. There’s the capacity for her to be [in all four shows]. At this moment, she’s in three of them.”
    Co-showrunner Wendy Mericle said, “Look, it’s hard to do a show about Green Arrow without having a Black Canary. I don’t know if it will happen this season or when, but… we are going to be true to origins in the DC universe, and she’s always going to be there.” So far on the show, three characters have carried the Canary name: Sara Lance, Laurel Lance and Evelyn Sharp.



  1. The Mystery Surrounding Rip Hunter Is Revealed In New LEGENDS OF TOMORROW Synopsis (Date: 05 Jan 2017)
    LOST MEMORIES — When Damien Darhk (guest star Neal McDonough) and Malcolm Merlyn (guest star John Barrowman) try to capture Rip Hunter (Arthur Darvill) in 1967, they create an Aberration big enough to draw the attention of the Legends.  However, when the team arrives they discover that Rip has no memories of his past due to “time drift” and is just a graduate film student. After trying to convince Rip of who he was, they discover that he possesses an incredibly powerful artifact known as the Spear of Destiny, which the Legion of Doom is after. Ray (Bradon Routh) and Nate (Nick Zano) realize that the Aberration has also affected them personally making it difficult to help the team.  Meanwhile, Rory (Dominic Purcell) asks Stein (Victor Garber) for help and makes him promise to keep it a secret from the team. Caity Lotz, Franz Drameh and Maisie Richardson-Sellers also star. Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Keto Shimizu & Chris Fedak.
    The back half of season two kicks off on Tuesday, January 24 after the show’s winter hiatus. That batch of episodes starts with an episode titled “Raiders of the Lost Art,” which guest stars a young George Lucas (or rather an actor named Matt Angel playing a young Lucas) and features the return of Rip Hunter (Arthur Darvill). But Rip won’t return the same as we previously knew him. Marc Guggenheim talked about the upcoming episodes and how the Spear of Destiny will impact the show. “The second half of the season is really paying off the Legion of Doom and what we now know is the MacGuffin of Season 2, the Spear of Destiny,” said Guggenheim. “Changing time is like painting with the biggest paintbrush possible; using the Spear of Destiny is like using a very, very fine-point technical pen.”
  3. The Girl Of Steel Visits Another World In Synopsis For Kevin Smith's Episode Of SUPERGIRL (Date: 05 Jan 2017)
    KEVIN SMITH DIRECTS; ROULETTE RETURNS — Kara (Melissa Benoist) is moved by the story of a missing woman named Izzy (guest star Harley Quinn Smith) and decides to investigate despite Snapper Carr’s (guest star Ian Gomez) order to leave it alone. Kara takes Mon-El (Chris Wood) with her to the last place Izzy was seen and the duo find themselves thrust through a portal to another planet, Slaver’s Moon, where the downtrodden are sold as slaves. The leader of the trafficking ring is none other than Roulette (guest star Dichen Lachman). To make matters worse, Slaver’s Moon has a red sun, which means Kara and Mon-El are stripped of their powers and stuck on the planet with no way home. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Alex (Chyler Leigh) blames herself for Kara’s disappearance, fearing she’s become too focused on her new relationship with Maggie (guest star Floriana Lima) and too complacent in watching out for her sister. Kevin Smith directed the episode with story by Andrew Kreisberg and teleplay by Eric Carrasco & Jess Kardos.
  5. Wally West Steps Up As Kid-Flash In Synopsis For THE FLASH Season 3, Episode 10 (Date: 05 Jan 2017)
    BARRY FIGHTS FOR IRIS — Barry (Grant Gustin) is tormented by his vision of the future where Iris (Candice Patton) is murdered by Savitar. When a criminal named Plunder (guest star Stephen Huszar) shows up in Central City, Barry recalls the villain’s presence in his vision of the future and fears that if he catches Plunder, it will cement Iris’ fate. Confused about Barry’s hesitation to stop Plunder, Wally (Keiynan Lonsdale) decides to step in as Kid Flash. Caitlin (Danielle Panabaker) offers Julian (Tom Felton) a job. Millicent Shelton directed the episode written by Grainne Godfree & David Kob.
    The upcoming musical crossover between “Supergirl” and “The Flash” isn’t just going to be a fun gimmick. According to executive producer Andrew Kreisberg, the two-part story will have lasting ramifications on both shows. According to Kreisberg. “When we get to the musical episodes, both Barry and Kara will find themselves at pivotal crossroads on their respective series, and the experience of going through the musical will have a great impact on both series moving forward.” Executive producer Greg Berlanti confirmed the villain will indeed be the Music Meister, who can control people through song. What’s more, the musical crossover will feature original songs and could include characters from any Earth or timeline in the “Arrow”-verse. No date has been announced for “The Flash”/”Supergirl” crossover.
    “The Flash” is taking a trip to Gorilla City in episodes 13 and 14 of season three. The series will also introduce a new telepathic gorilla straight from the comics, Solovar. Keith David will provide the voice of Solovar in the Gorilla Grodd-centric two-parter. David is a film and television veteran with a career spanning decades. Executive producer Andrew Kreisberg announced the return of Grodd and Gorilla City during a presentation at the TCAs. Kreisberg also revealed that the two-parter will span multiple Earths. “One of the episodes will take place in Gorilla City [on Earth-2], and one of them will take place on Earth-1.” In the comics, Solovar — a psychic gorilla like Grodd — is the leader of Gorilla City. Under his rule, Gorilla City became a technological wonder. Solovar’s involvement in “The Flash’s” Grodd/Gorilla City two-parter makes sense considering that Solovar is Grodd’s main rival (other than the Scarlet Speedster) in the comics.
    As expected, “The Flash” viewers haven’t seen the last of Hunter “Zoom” Zolomon. However, when the character returns, it may not only be on that CW drama — and he may not be portrayed by Teddy Sears. Transformed by time wraiths into Black Flash and then pulled into the Speed Force in “The Flash’s” Season Two finale, the villain will indeed race back into the Arrowverse.“I will say that you might be seeing him on multiple shows,” executive producer Andrew Kreisberg revealed at the Television Critics Association’s winter press tour. He didn’t say which shows those are, or when fans can expect Black Flash’s return. “[Black Flash] is a classic character. We have storylines on multiple shows that fit having him around,” he said. “There’s something so scary about him, something even scarier than when he was just the man, because now it’s now he is the Grim Reaper, he is the devil. How do you stop the devil? So it presents an interesting challenge for the heroes of the respective shows in which he appears.”
  9. ‘Constantine’ Back As Animated Series For CW Seed With Greg Berlanti Producing (Date: 08 Jan 2017)
    Constantine, which had a one-season run on NBC, will be back as an animated series for CW Seed. Five to six 10-minute episodes have been ordered. Matt Ryan, who starred in the live-action DC series, will voice the title character.
    A new photo from the set of the CW drama reveals that actor Peter Gadiot, who played Cyrus on ABC’s short-lived “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland,” has been cast as the classic Superman foe. However, we can see that the impish villain won’t look anything like he does in the DC Comics source material, where he’s traditionally depicted as an older, diminutive character. Created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Ira Yarborough for 1944’s “Superman” #30, Mister Mxyzptlk is a mischievous imp from the fifth dimension who delights in tormenting the Man of Steel.
    “Tyler did a great job,” The CW President Mark Pedowitz said. “There’s no plan to do a series. There are no plans at the moment for him to return [to ‘Supergirl’]. If they wish to have him return, we’d love to have him.”
  12. THE FLASH Will Weave Kid Flash, Killer Frost And Gypsy Story Arcs Into Remaining Season 3 Episodes (Date: 07 Jan 2017)
    Armed with that knowledge Barry and his allies will be frantically searching for ways to prepare for an inevitable second round with the God of Speed. As for the rest of Team Flash, the co-showrunner adds that Gypsy (played by the recently cast Jessica Camacho of Sleepy Hollow) will be playing an important adversarial role in Cisco's budding superhero career, Caitlin will continue to wrestle with her Killer Frost alter ego and Wally West will continue to fly off the handle and cause trouble as Kid Flash.
  13. Robbie Amell to return as Ronnie Raymond (Date: 12 Jan 2017)
    * Robbie Amell is slated to reprise his role as Ronnie Raymond in an upcoming episode of The Flash, EW has learned exclusively.
    * Details on how Amell will appear — whether in a different timeline in which he’s still alive or we’re meeting a doppelgänger from another universe — are being kept under wraps, but he’ll appear in a winter episode.
    * Dead on Earth-1 (Saving Central City from the singularity). Dead on Earth-2 (as Deathstorm). Do we get to see him die as an Earth-3 Ronnie?
    Link: Supergirl: First pics of Lynda Carter on Supergirl  (Date: 19 Aug 2016)
    * Pics released by the ‘Just Jared’ Twitter Account
    * Lynda Carter looks great
    * Looks like she and Melissa Benoist are having a ton of fun working together


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  2. Justice League of America: Vixen Rebirth (2017) #1  (Date: 11 Jan 2017)
    *  Origin story!  She’s one of the country’s most successful businesswomen, an iconic fashion pioneer, a crusader for social justice and an incredibly powerful member of the Justice League of America. But Mari McCabe’s life wasn’t always this way. Follow her path to becoming the heroic Vixen in this crucial special!
    * Written by Jody Houser & Steve Orlando  |  Art by Jamal Campbell



Episode:   “The Justice Society of America” [Season 1 Episode 2]

Air Date:        Thursday, October 20, 2016

Summary:      The Legends discover a time aberration that threatens the Justice Society of America, who are on a mission to intercept and seize a mysterious package in Nazi-occupied Paris.

Director:         Michael Grossman

Writers:          Chris Fedak and Sarah Nicole Jones



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