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The Starling Tribune: An Unofficial Arrow TV Show Fan Podcast

The Starling Tribune is a podcast dedicated to the CW's Arrow TV Show and the other DC Comics TV Shows on the CW channel as well as the DC Universe in general. Each week the reporters and their chief editor will get together to discuss the latest episode of the hit CW show Arrow. The Starling Tribune is a proud member of the GonnaGeek Podcast Network found at

Mar 6, 2017

Starling Tribune - Season 5 Edition – Fighting Fire with Fire (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) #142


The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network


Episode:            “Fighting Fire with Fire” [Season 5 Episode 15]

Air Date:           Wednesday, March 1, 2017

Director:           Michael Schultz


            8x Arrow | 1x Once Upon a Time | 3x Chuck | 2x Charmed


Writers: Speed Weed


7x Arrow | 7x Haven | 36x Arrow (co-executive producer)


Ben Sokolowski


18x Arrow | 2x Flash | 23x Arrow (producer)



Weekly Ratings


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating


01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89

02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94

03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79

04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87

05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61

06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95

07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86

08 Invasion 30-Nov-16 3.55

09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16 1.94

10 Who Are You 25-Jan-17 1.68

11 Second Chances 1-Feb-17 1.91

12 Bratva 8-Feb-17 1.61

13 Spectre Of The Gun 15-Feb-17 1.66

14 The Sin-Eater 22-Feb-17 1.54

15 Fighting Fire with Fire 1-Mar-17 1.60

16 Checkmate 15-Mar-17

17 Kapot 22-Mar-17

18 Disbanded TBD

19 Dangerous Liaisons TBD


Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Out Of Time 13-Oct-2016 3.01

02 Justice Society of America 20-Oct-2016 2.83

03 Shogun 27-Oct-2016 2.71

04 Abominations 3-Nov-2016 1.75

05 Compromised 10-Nov-2016 1.77

06 Outlaw Country 17-Nov-2016 1.85

07 Invasion 1-Dec-2016 3.39

08 The Chicago Way 8-Dec-2016 2.00

09 Raiders Of The Lost Art 24-Jan-2016 1.74

10 The Legion Of Doom 31-Jan-2017 1.78

11 Turncoat 7-Feb-17 1.89

12 Camelot/3000 21-Feb-17 1.64

13 Land Of The Lost 7-Mar-17 TBD

14 Moonshoot 14-Mar-17

15 Fellowship of the Spear 21-Mar-17

16 Doomworld 28-Mar-17

17 Aruba 4-Apr-17



Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Adventures of Supergirl 10-Oct-16 3.06

02 The Last Children of Krypton 17-Oct-16 2.66

03 Welcome to Earth 24-Oct-16 2.65

04 Survivors 31-Oct-16 2.22

05 Crossfire 7-Nov-16 2.47

06 Changing 14-Nov-16 2.35

07 The Darkest Place 21-Nov-16 2.61

08 Medusa 28-Nov-16 3.53

09 Supergirl Lives 23-Jan-17 2.65

10 We Can Be Heroes 30-Jan-17 2.35

11 The Martian Chronicles 6-Feb-17 2.4

12 Luthors 13-Feb-17 2.52

13 Mr. & Mrs. Mxyzptlk 20-Feb-17 2.24

14 Homecoming 27-Feb-17 2.17

15 Exodus 6-Mar-17 TBD

16 Star-Crossed 20-Mar-17 TBD



Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Flashpoint 4-Oct-16 3.17

02 Paradox 11-Oct-16 2.80

03 Magenta 18-Oct-16 2.67

04 The New Rogues 25-Oct-16 2.80

05 Monster 1-Nov-16 2.77

06 Shade 15-Nov-16 3.01

07 Killer Frost 22-Nov-16 2.95

08 Invasion! 29-Nov-16 4.15

09 The Present 6-Dec-16 3.14

10 Borrowing Problems From The Future 24-Jan-17 2.68

11 Dead Or Alive 31-Jan-17 3.06

12 Untouchable 7-Feb-17 2.94

13 Attack on Gorilla City 21-Feb-17 2.78

14 The Wrath of Savitar 7-Mar-17 TBD

15 Into The Speed Force 14-Mar-17 TBD

16 Duet 21-Mar-17 TBD


Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

  • What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link to the ep. name
    • Diggle said - fight fire with fire, likely to get burned
      • Thea tempted to blackmail guy and manufacture blame on Malone
      • Felicity using Pandora for shady reasons - tool or weapon?
  • Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
    • Vigilante attacks limo
      • Black Canary uses cry
      • Thea tackles him
      • Lots of bullets
    • Prometheus v. Vigilante
      • Knew they were separate people
      • Prometheus - the Mayor is his
      • Vigilante and Prometheus fight hand-to-hand; Prometheus pushes Vigilante off roof
    • Team stops Vigilante from assassinating Ollie
      • Diggle, Curtis, and Rene
      • Curtis has his T-spheres
      • Diggle gets shot; saved by Cisco Kevlar suit
  • Flashbacks: Share your thoughts
    • Anatoly judged by members of Bratva
      • Victor allows the judging
      • Anatoly called for this; gave time for Ollie to break into Kovar’s and get a computer proving Gregor’s greedy
  • Ollie:  
    • Almost impeached; resists using blackmail, ruining Malone’s memory, and throwing Adrian under the bus
    • Can’t testify on own behalf; holds a press conference; throws Green Arrow under the bus
    • Is he right? Has Green Arrow failed Star City? Is Green Arrow doing more harm now?
    • Makes up with Susan
    • Fights going to the hospital after being in car crash
    • Proud of how far team has come in five months
  • Diggle
    • Drops words of wisdom
    • Felicity’s superpower is her empathy
  • Thea
    • Wants to save Ollie’s job
    • Tempted to use blackmail and to frame Billy Malone
    • Decides to walk away - needs to fix self; she feels broken
    • Will never ride with Ollie in a limo again - hope this is not foreshadowing
  • Felicity
    • Still going through data from Prometheus’s mother
    • Hacks for Thea
    • Fixes issue with Susan
    • Others have used darkness to fight darker darkness, why not her?
    • Decides she wants her own team; agrees to join Helix
  • Quentin Lance
    • Supporting player
  • Curtis
    • They’re not balls
    • Paul filing for divorce
  • Wild Dog
    • Keeps calling Curtis’s spheres balls
    • Gets to fire some guns
  • Dinah Drake / Black Canary
    • Part of the Mayor’s detail
    • Uses cry against Vigilante
    • Gets piece of Vigilante’s mask
  • Artemis
    • Traitor
  • Ragman
    • On walkabout
  • D.A. Adrian Chase
    • Volunteers to take the blame for situation and resign
    • Really has worked to become Ollie’s friend
    • During fight with Vigilante and Prometheus
      • How did we do?
        • Michelle said Vigilante and Prometheus were different people
        • Adrian Chase was on the list -- Chris suggested him. Go, Chris!
        • He’s the right age
        • Let’s hope he’s doing this because he’s Claybourne’s son and not because Ollie took his girl that one time
        • Explains how he got Ollie’s arrows, faked the ME report, and leaked the information
        • He’s been on the inside. Did he really need Artemis? Has he kept Artemis alive?
        • Are we to expect that he got info about Flash & co from Artemis? Even about how to break into Star Labs? Really?
        • How does one spend four years becoming Prometheus and earn a law degree? Is he the real Adrian Chase? Did he spend all this time learning everything and take Adrian’s identity so he could be the DA? But how could he have faked previous experience? Yes, Star City is desperate for qualified people, but the city would have done a check for the new DA
  • Susan Williams
    • Started a blog
    • Gets job back
    • Agrees to keep Ollie’s secret
    • Gets kidnapped by Adrian
  • Vigilante
    • Who is Vigilante?
      • Fighting corruption “his” way (could be a lady)
      • Buys ammo from different people every week
      • People on street more afraid of Vigilante than Diggle and Rene
      • Has high tech gear
      • Moves fast
  • Prometheus
    • New developments:
      • Is Adrian Chase
    • Known facts:
      • 30 years old?
      • Ollie’s past and that he is Arrow; knows about The List
      • How to fight like Ollie; studied with person Ollie did while in Russia
      • Has a tolerance to Diazepam (Valium); can shake off getting sedated
      • Where and how to get Ollie’s old arrows to make his own
      • Team Flash - how they keep metas at Star Labs; Black Siren
      • Sara, the Legends, the Waverider, time travel, and parallel worlds
      • Faked Lyla’s voice to lure Diggle
      • Claybourne’s mistress is Amanda Westfield and lives in Opal City
      • Has access to ME’s original report; mails it - letter has stamp of Opal City (so he took it to his home town and mailed it? So is he chilling out in Opal City before resuming destroying Ollie?)
      • Amanda refuses to give up son’s name; hasn’t seen son in four years; says son’s father killed by monster
      • Leaks evidence of Ollie’s coverup of Malone’s murder to press
      • Bribing people? Works in police department? Works with ME?
    • Michelle’s List O’Suspects: (I’m keeping this active until the mask comes off) - Can parts of this list be used for Vigilante?
      • Tommy Merlyn
      • Susan Williams (investigating Ollie)
      • Robert Queen - too old?
      • Claybourne’s son
      • Adrian Chase (but more likely to become Vigilante)
      • Helena Bertinelli
      • Isabel Rochev
      • Mckenna Hall
      • Shado
      • Talia al Ghul
      • Roy - too young?
      • Some guy from the Bratva
      • Some new character
  • Lingering Questions / Issues
    • Where does Ollie live?
    • Bertinelli mention - 4 times




  1. Spoiler Room: Scoop on Arrow, Agents of SHIELD, Blacklist, more (Date: 24 Feb 2017)
    When asked about Ollie going back to the island, Marc Guggenheim said, “I can tease that it will either be by boat or plane. I can also tease he won’t be going back alone.”
  2. Arrow's Stephen Amell addresses idea of Dinah-Oliver romance (Date: 28 Feb 2017)
    After the shocking death of Laurel Lance (Katie Cassidy), some fans of the comics were disheartened by the fact that Oliver (Stephen Amell) would not end up with the Black Canary — in the comics, Oliver married Dinah Laurel Lance, the character portrayed by Cassidy on Arrow. That all changed when Juliana Harkavy was added to the cast as Dinah Drake, otherwise known in the comics as the first Black Canary. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean there will be a Green Arrow-Black Canary romance, especially considering the show has never been beholden to the comics. “The idea that Oliver would end up with the Black Canary being Katie Cassidy or any new iteration thereof? To me, it could happen, it could not, but it’s certainly not destined to happen or predesigned to happen,” Amell tells EW.


    Dean Cain’s character, Jeremiah Danvers, has returned to “Supergirl”. Teri Hatcher has already been confirmed to debut later this season in an as-yet unspecified villain role.It doesn’t take much to connect those dots, and arise at the natural question: Will “Supergirl” feature an on-screen reunion between Cain and Hatcher, who starred in “Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman” from 1993 to 1997?  “We’d love to,” “Supergirl” executive producer Andrew Kreisberg said of a Cain/Hatcher scene on “Supergirl.” “There’s a plan — if we can execute the plan.”  
    For the next full-scale Arrowverse crossover — which is tradition holds, will likely be in the fall — the creative forces behind the show are hoping to fully involve all four series, according to Andrew Kreisberg, an executive producer on each one of the shows. With the early renewals, Kreisberg explained, the shows can take advantage of pre-planned off-days in production to accommodate the cast members who are appearing on multiple shows in a short time, something that was particularly difficult last year with “Supergirl,” since series lead Melissa Benoist appeared in both a normal episode of her show, and then as a guest on “The Flash,” ‘Arrow’ and ‘Legends.’ ‘Supergirl’ was the show we needed to shut down the most, and it was the one we didn’t have any opportunity to,” Kreisberg said. “So now that we’ve gotten the early pick up and we’ve started designing the seasons, we’re building in those dark days — and actually more dark days on ‘Supergirl’ than the other shows — to make it a little easier.”
  3. ‘Black Lightning’ Finds Its Lead: Cress Williams Cast As Jefferson In the CW Pilot (Date: 24 Feb 2017)
    Hart of Dixie alum Cress Williams is back at the CW as the title character in Black Lightning, the network’s DC drama pilot from Greg Berlanti, king of the CW’s DC universe, and the Being Mary Jane duo of Mara Brock Akil and Salim Akil.
  4. ‘Black Lightning’: Nafessa Williams & China Anne McClain To Star As Jefferson’s Daughters In the CW Pilot (Date: 02 March 2017)
    Nafessa Williams (Code Black) and China Anne McClain (House of Payne) have landed leads opposite Cress Williams in Black Lightning, the CW’s DC drama pilot.McCain plays Jefferson’s younger daughter, the teenage Jennifer Piere, an independent, outspoken scholar-athlete with a wild streak of her own. Williams is Anissa Pierce — passionate and quick-witted, Jefferson’s twenty-something daughter balances the demands of medical school with her job teaching part-time at her father’s school. In the DC comics, Anissa and Jennifer follow in their father’s footsteps and become superheroes, taking on the names of Thunder and Lightning, respectively.  
  5. Supergirl Producer Talks Earth-38 Arrowverse Dopplegangers (Date: 27 Feb 2017)
    Supergirl's setting on an alternate Earth (Earth 38 to be specific) already placed it within the DC TV Multiverse - yet we haven't run into dopplegangers of DC TV characters from Earth's 1 and 2. That's something of interesting flaw in continuity, so will it be something that Supergirl will address? According to executive producer Andrew Kriesberg: it won't be. According to Kriesberg, “the problem with that is if we do that once, we’re going to open the floodgates of insanity." According to Kriesberg, it would take “a really good story” for Supergirl to get alternate versions of Barry or Oliver on the show; or conversly, an alternate version of Kara on Earth 1. In short: it would have to be an event.
    Co-showrunner Aaron Helbing revealed that Iris West (Candice Patton) will have a big part to play in the adventure. “She plays a pretty key role in the musical episode. The story really centers around Iris,” said Helbing. “Aside from Barry and Kara, Iris plays a huge role in the musical.” The episode will also feature songs from “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend’s” Rachel Bloom and the “La La Land” songwriting duo of Benj Pasek and Justin Paul.
  7. Supergirl taps iZombie star as potential DC villain (Date: 01 March 2017)
    Rahul Kohli, who plays medical examiner Dr. Ravi Chakrabarti on The CW zombie series, will play Jack Spheer, a charismatic tech genius who has spent decades working on a medical innovation that will eradicate major illnesses and change the face of the world – if it works. In the comics, Spheer’s invention mutated him into the villain known as Biomax, who had the power of mind control. It’s unclear whether his character on the show will follow the same path. Kohli will appear in episode 18, titled “Ace Reporter,” which executive producer Andrew Kreisberg recently revealed will heavily feature Kara’s journalism side.


    A lethal assassin in her own right, in DC Comics’ lore, Talia has been an ally, a lover and an enemy to Batman. As there is no Batman in the Arrowvrse, this Talia instead finds herself involved with Green arrow. This season, it’s been revealed that she was the one who rescued Oliver from Ishmael Gregor and then proceeded to push him into fulfilling his destiny. Talia has trained Oliver, but she’s also an al Ghul. Can she be trusted? Does the apple fall far from the psychotic family tree? Doig recently spoke with CBR about making Talia a badass, mentoring Oliver, her possible connections to Prometheus and the inevitable showdown with Nyssa.
    Speaking to CBR and other reporters, Segarra opened up about his role as Prometheus and how he balanced Adrian Chase’s two very different identities. He also shared some stories about how and when he learned about the big twist, as well as why he studied up on Vigilante before arriving in Vancouver to start filming Season 5. “I’m telling them, ‘Oh, I’m playing this guy… I don’t really know too much about him, but who knows? It’ll be fun, right?’ And then they announced Adrian Chase: Vigilante. And I’m like, ‘Oh my gosh, I’m playing Vigilante!’
    So now, I get to Vancouver, I think I’m playing this guy Vigilante. That’s who everybody thought, right? So I start reading ‘Vigilante’ comics and reading about Chase and reading about the history of these guys. Then I get to work and I’m talking to Marc. I’m like, ‘Marc, man, I’m really doing my research. I’m really being studious about this Vigilante guy.’ And he’s like, ‘What do you mean?’ And I’m like, ‘Oh, dude, you announced it finally! I’m going to be a great Adrian Chase: Vigilante!’ And he says, ‘That’s not who you’re playing.’ ‘What?!’ He’s like, ‘Yeah, you’re playing this guy.’ And that’s when they took me out on the city and they told me everything. So, to put it this way, me and my wife and my doggie, we moved over to Vancouver thinking one thing and it was revealed once I got here who I was actually playing. That whole journey began at that moment. I feel I’ll always look back and laugh at this.”
    In the wake of this stunning reveal, executive producer Wendy Mericle spoke to CBR and other reporters about what’s in store for Team Arrow now that Prometheus’ identity is out in the open. She addressed why she and the other showrunners made Chase Prometheus instead of Vigilante, why those chose now to make this reveal, what drives Chase to torture Oliver Queen and more. Why make Chase Prometheus instead of Vigilante? “I think one of the reasons we did that was because everyone would be thinking, “Of course he’s Vigilante!” Adrian Chase is Vigilante in the comic books, as you pointed out, and we thought it would be a really fun sort of twist to do what we’ve always done on the show, which is to take the comic book mythology and turn it on its head and see what kind of story we could mine from a surprise like that. It was also just something different for this season. We wanted to change up how we introduced the big bad and change up when we did it and how we did it. Hopefully, we succeeded in that this year.” She also said that Prometheus is going to mess with Lance as well.



    While the average Funko comic character is brightly colored, this version of Wonder Woman is tinted sepia; with the Pop! and Rock Candy figures, you feel as if you’re looking at her through a photo filter. That certainly appears to match the aesthetic of director Patty Jenkins’ film. Also notable is Diana’s weapons of choice: Although her famed Lasso of Truth is slung on her belt, she wields a sword and shield, emphasizing her role as a warrior. In addition to the Amazon Princess, there will also be Pop! figures of Steve Trevor and Queen Hippolyta.







The Starling Tribune @StarlingTribune  Mar 1 - Vigilante is NOT Prometheus! Called it!
Roy Phillips @MadbanditRoy -   @StarlingTribune But if Adrian's Prometheus, who's Vigilante? #Arrow
kayrennnnn @smolsivanarmy  -  @MadbanditRoy @StarlingTribune maybe Susan?
Roy Phillips @MadbanditRoy -  @smolsivanarmy @StarlingTribune It would make sense, but why expose Ollie?
The Starling Tribune @StarlingTribune -   @MadbanditRoy @smolsivanarmy We never got to find out what Susan planned to do w/info.
Roy Phillips @MadbanditRoy -  @StarlingTribune @smolsivanarmy True. I'm just wondering what's Vigilante's motivation, and I think Adrian's not the "real Adrian".
kayrennnnn @smolsivanarmy - @MadbanditRoy @StarlingTribune yeah, it seems like there is something up with how he acts, mind control maybe




Promo for Next Week’s Episode - Legends of Tomorrow “Abominations” (Date: 27 Oct 2016)

Episode:   “Abominations” [Season 2 Episode 4]

Air Date:        Thursday, November 3, 2016

Summary:      The Legends find themselves fighting for survival against Confederate zombies in the Civil War.

Director:         Michael Allowitz

Writers:          Marc Guggenheim and Ray Utarnachitt



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