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The Starling Tribune is a podcast dedicated to the CW's Arrow TV Show and the other DC Comics TV Shows on the CW channel as well as the DC Universe in general. Each week the reporters and their chief editor will get together to discuss the latest episode of the hit CW show Arrow. The Starling Tribune is a proud member of the GonnaGeek Podcast Network found at

Dec 22, 2018

Starling Tribune - Season 7 Edition – Elseworlds (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) ST222


Episode:            “Elseworlds”

Part 1: Flash [Season 5 Episode 9]

Part 2: Arrow [Season 7 Episode 9]

Part 3: Supergirl [Season 4 Episode 9]

Air Date:           December 9 - 11, 2018


Director:           Part 1: Kevin Tancharoen


                        Part 2: James Bamford



                        Part 3: Jesse Warn



Writers: Part 1:

Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg, and Geoff Johns

Written by: Eric Wallace and Sam Chalsen


Part 2:

Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg

Teleplay by: Marc Guggenheim

Story by: Caroline Dries


Part 3:

Developed by: Greg Berlanti, Ali Adler, and Andrew Kreisberg

Teleplay by: Derek Simon and Robert L. Rovner

Story by: Marc Guggenheim


Part 1 IMDB:

Part 2 IMDB:

Part 3 IMDB:




Current Episode Recap

Full recap of “Elseworlds” with spoilers:

Part 1: (09 Dec 2018)

Part 2: (10 Dec 2018)

Part 3: (11 Dec 2018)



Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Inmate 4587 15-Oct-18 1.43

02 The Longbow Hunters 22-Oct-18 1.18

03 Crossing Lines 29-Oct-18 1.15

04 Level Two 5-Nov-18 1.08

05 The Demon 12-Nov-18 1.26

06 Due Process 19-Nov-18 1.03

07 The Slabside Redemption 26-Nov-18 1.31

08 Unmasked 3-Dec-18 1.35

09 Elseworlds Part 2 10-Dec-18 2.06


Legends Of Tomorrow


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Virgin Gary 22-Oct-18 1.00

02 Witch Hunt 29-Oct-18 0.94

03 Dancing Queen 5-Nov-18 0.86

04 Wet Hot American Bummer 12-Nov-18 0.90

05 Tagumo Attacks 19-Nov-18 0.91

06 Tender Is The Nate 26-Nov-18 0.97

07 Hell No, Dolly! 3-Dec-18 0.93

08 Legends of To-Meow-Meow 10-Dec-18 1.10




Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 American Alien 14-Oct-18 1.52

02 Fallout 21-Oct-18 1.34

03 Man Of Steel 28-Oct-18 1.28

04 Ahimsa 4-Nov-18 1.23

05 Parasite Lost 11-Nov-18 1.16

06 Call To Action 18-Nov-18 1.13

07 Rather the Fallen Angel 25-Nov-18 1.15

08 Bunker Hill 2-Dec-18 1.26

09 Elseworlds Part 3 11-Dec-18 2.17


The Flash


Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Nora 9-Oct-17 2.08

02 Blocked 16-Oct-18 1.69

03 The Death of Vibe 23-Oct-18 1.87

04 News Flash 30-Oct-18 1.75

05 All Doll’d Up 13-Nov-18 1.73

06 The Icicle Cometh 20-Nov-18 1.60

07 O Come, All Ye Thankful 27-Nov-18 1.79

08 What’s Past Is Prologue 4-Dec-18 1.78

09 Elseworlds Part 1 9-Dec-18 1.83





Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Book of Consequences: Chapter One: Rise of the Green Light Babies 9-Oct-18 1.16

02 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Two: Black Jesus Blues 16-Oct-18 1.02

03 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Three: Master Lowry 23-Oct-18 1.18

04 The Book of Consequences: Chapter Four: Translucent Freak 30-Oct-18 0.97

05 The Book Of Blood: Chapter One: Requiem 13-Nov-18 0.90

06 The Book Of Blood: Chapter Two: The Perdi 20-Nov-18 0.99

07 The Book Of Blood: Chapter Three: The Sange 27-Nov-18 1.06

08 The Book Of Rebellion: Chapter One: Exodus 4-Dec-18 0.96

09 The Book of Rebellion: Chapter Two: Gift of the Magi 11-Dec-18 1.13


Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

  • What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
    • The Monitor, in preparation for a bigger threat, gives the Book of Destiny to Dr. John Deegan so heroes of other Earths can be tested. Reality is written for the purpose of this test.
  • Fight scenes and stunts
    • Ivo Labs - Amazo
      • “You have failed this city.” “Pretty sure that’s not your line”
      • Oliver’s lighting goes wild
      • Part 2: Amazo beats Killer Frost and Ralph; gets their powers
    • Diaz weapon cache
      • Barry - how do I put on this suit?
      • Barry - most awkward zipline arrow landing ever; thought he was going to fire an incendiary arrow
      • Barry fights like Oliver; shoots really well and is impressed by his actions
      • Oliver comes in and gets Barry and Diggle; Diggle vomits
    • Amazo fight
      • Flash, two Supers, and a Green Arrow - try to keep him busy; big Superman punch - doesn’t work; Amazo gets all of their powers
      • Amazo beats them; on the hunt for more powers; Wells - just turn the computer off
      • Barry - he won’t be able to run and phase at the same time; Oliver lures Amazo back
      • Cisco - we got a virus; Barry starting to sound like Oliver: Supergirl punch; two supers hold whild Oliver phases; Barry: “Amazo, you have failed this city.” Shoots arrow with virus and hits
    • Diggle vs. Deathstroke’s son
      • 4 Argus agents go down quick; Diggle about to be taken down
      • CW DC Trinity (Green Arrow, Flash, Supergirl) help him
    • Gotham
      • Oliver - Gotham is basically dead
      • Muggers
      • Supergirl catches bullet; Barry takes down guys; Oliver has to talk Barry down; 3 get arrested
    • Arkham
      • Diggle, Cisco, and Caitlin show up
      • Kara’s idea: pretend Caitlin is a patient; Diggle and Oliver pretend to be investigating
      • Prisoners released by Deegan
      • Oliver dresses Barry in outfit
      • Killer Frost vs. Fries; Oliver messes up and releases Scarecrow’s fear toxin
        • Oliver “fights” Reverse-Flash
        • Barry “fights” Merlyn
        • Reality: they’re fighting each other
        • This is when Oliver realizes Barry’s had to go through some tough stuff too
        • Good editing
        • Batwoman breaks it up; great kick
      • Diggle takes on a lot of inmates
      • Oliver puts inmates back into cells
      • Some about to get away; Barry has arrows; Cisco gets hit by van - here comes Batwoman! Batarang comes back to her
      • Supergirl looks for book; gets it
    • Confrontation with Monitor
      • Mar Novu vs. Green Arrow, Supergirl, Flash and Flash
      • E90 Barry blipped away
      • Crisis is coming; testing universes; need to find champions; first to retrieve book; takes book; tells Deegan to think bigger
    • Trigger Twins
      • Oliver gets them away from cops
      • Deegan made himself Superman - black outfit
      • Superman vs. Trigger Twins; Oliver shoots crane loosen by Superman; they make Superman go save the kids
      • Barry - you just can’t write yourself as a hero; become heros in spite of circumstance
    • Star Labs
      • Superman, Criminal Cisco, Barry and Oliver arrive
      • Cisco vibes out
      • Oliver vs. Diggle and Killer Frost in elevator
      • Alex ready to take down Barry
    • Getting book to Clark
      • Superman vs. Superman
        • Real saves helicopter
        • Fight in air; buildings
        • Kara blasts Deegan away
      • Book in Time Vault; Supergirl not strong enough; gets book to Clark
      • Supergirl and all get powers back
      • Oliver as Green Arrow stands in elevator, took care of Diggle and Killer Frost
      • Deegan and Supergirl eye blast battle; Oliver ready to kill Deegan; Barry - you can overcome your darkness, Oliver; maybe test is for us to be our better selves
    • Slow down time
      • Barry and Kara run in opposite directions to create enough force to stop Earth; Superman - I saw them die in the book
      • Oliver - hope destiny can be rewritten; goes to Monitor; busts his way in; you said you were a god, so do something; your test is to find the good ones; I know true self, I’m full of darkness, Barry and Kara inspire hope and are the best of us; Monitor - balance must be maintained
      • Superman - out powers amplify who we really are
      • Deegan brings back Amazo
      • Brainiac, Lois, and Martian Manhunter; Brainiac goes after Amazo
      • Lois uses hammer to knock down Deegan; Deegan uses book as weapon against Lois and Clark
      • Time slows; Lois falling; Barry and Kara about to burn; Oliver arrives, walking normally, shoots special arrow at book; book destroyed; Deegan deformed
      • Brainiac rips out Amazo’s motherboard
  • Intros
    • Part 1: The Flash - regular intro
    • Part 2: Barry Allen does the intro; I’m working with the police after being in prison
    • Part 3: I’m Deegan from Gotham, city needs heros, did my part as doctor at Arkham, world didn’t understand methods, got book; now I’m Superman
  • Reality rewrite 1: Barry Allen is Oliver Queen and Oliver Queen is Barry Allen
  • Reality rewrite 2: Barry and Oliver are back to old bodies, but they’re criminals without powers; Superman is a God; Cisco is a crime boss
  • Oliver Queen / Green Arrow
    • Knows he’s Oliver Queen, but world thinks he’s Barry
    • Kiss from Iris - running joke: Iris always says Oliver is not her type
    • Has to get used to Flash’s powers
    • Blames Barry at first
    • What is going on? Could you be serious, Barry?
    • Iris - your life is ruled by anger and violence; Felicity’s been talking to her
    • To escape, has to learn how to phase
    • Puffs chest when meets Superman
    • Tries to train Barry. Where are the remote bows? Oliver catches arrow. 4 years - Barry gets revenge by remote arrows in his back. Thinks Barry’s life is all sunshine and rainbows. Oliver runs at Barry; Barry gets him
    • Lesson = painful memory; draw on darkness when draw bow; seeing Barry happy as Green Arrow made him jealous. Barry - when I’m happy, I run faster
    • Sketches what Cisco vibed and realizes they need to go to Gotham
    • Didn’t tell Felicity because of issues
    • Batman is an urban legend; Oliver Queen is a public figure, so Barry shouldn’t go to Gotham
    • Steals Gotham PD’s hard drive
    • Barry tells him to fix things with Felicity; we’re evolving, but I still love you and all that
    • When things get rough, Barry digs deep and runs faster; figures Kara is that way too
    • What deal did he make with the Monitor??????
    • Oliver - smiles; he admits to liking Kara
    • Oliver and Barry at bar: Oliver as Flash - always hungry and worn shoes, clarity in running; because of Barry, learn to be a better man; refuses to hug it out with Barry
    • Toast - “To appreciating what you have, however long you might have it”
    • Gets call from Batwoman - Deegan making friends with Psycho Pirate
  • Barry Allen / Flash
    • Fights Diggle; thinks it’s the Bunker at first; thinks it’s cool he’s the Green Arrow
    • Salmon ladder
    • Is this Freaky Friday or Quantum Leap? Gets serious when he learns Oliver woke up with Iris
    • We need to get to Kara; to escape, has to dislocate thumb; tells Iris personal stuff, lighting rod
    • Iris tells Barry that she doesn’t want him to turn into Oliver Queen
    • Hey, Oliver put on the mask, my identity isn’t public
    • Gets flown to Gotham by Kara
    • Tells Kara about Oliver’s sketchy romantic past; finds Bat-signal; big Batman fan
    • Being a criminal makes him physically sick
    • Go get Cisco, go get real Superman
    • Oliver - you’re CCPD, where do criminals hang out
    • Tells criminal Cisco he knew his brother; Oliver - how would you like to get rid of Superman? Teaches criminal Cisco how to breach
  • Kara Danvers / Supergirl
    • Earth-38; on Kent Farm with Clark
    • Recognizes Oliver and Barry
    • Goes to Earth-1 to help; meets Batwoman
    • Has a Bruce Wayne on her Earth
    • No Kara Danvers on Earth-1; perhaps pod didn’t land on Earth or Krypton is still around
    • Too afraid to be a woman? - to Deegan as Superman
    • Trapped in pipeline
      • Her personal plea goes to Alex; story from childhood; tells Alex that her Alex is a leader and knows who she is; Alex lets her out
  • Clark Kent / Superman
    • Writes about his own feats for his job
    • Lois - direct, fixes things; “You’ll catch me”
    • Helps with Amazo, then goes back to Earth-38
    • Goes back to Earth-1 to save Kara and stop “Superman”
    • Knows how to handle the book
    • Leaving with Lois to go to Argo, Lois in pregnant, proposes to Lois at the Fortress
    • World find with just Supergirl
    • Lois calls him Smallville and Kansas
  • Kate Kane / Batwoman
    • Bails out 3; do what you need to and get out of my city
    • Batman and Bruce Wayne missing 3 years; Wayne Enterprises is busted
    • One R&D guys still works there (Fox?) and wifi password is Alfred
    • Real estate firm
    • Flirts with Kara; realizes Kara is Supergirl
  • Team Flash
    • Don’t believe them; Iris drugs Oliver with Palmer nanities; both end up in pipeline; learn that cells have hidden toilets
    • Iris convinces team to believe Oliver and Barry
  • Team Arrow
    • Diggle - you know after everything I shouldn’t be surprised
  • Team Supergirl
    • Alex is Alex, even in rewrite
  • Geek Squad
    • Cisco
      • Figures out weather is weird
      • Vibes Monitor with Deegan
      • Goes to Earth-38 to get team and Superman; Lois joins
      • Can still vibe in rewrite 2
    • Felicity
      • Upset she’s the last to know about Oliver and Barry
      • Upset learns Iris figured things out quickly
      • Figures out there are quantum breaches
      • What’s love without trust and respect?
      • We need to build a quantum breach thing
    • Curtis
    • Caitlin
      • Gives Felicity pep talk about Oliver
      • Killer Frost tells Alex to get out more
  • Dr. Deegan
    • Monitor tells him to think big
    • Experimented on patients brains
    • Works at Arkham
    • When confronted, releases prisoners
    • As Superman
      • Home base is Star Labs
      • Diggle, Killer Frost, Alex Danvers are employees
      • Needs ego boosted constantly
  • Monitor
    • Addresses them when Cisco vibed
    • Talks to Oliver and Barry about their destiny; without powers, still outwit Superman
    • Reads Oliver like a ….book
    • Must know true self in order to win
  • Noteable Easter Eggs (not from an article)
    • Earth-90 Flash - Barry Allen - tells them about book; appears similar to comics; - played by John Wesley Shipp - sees Diggle and asks him where his ring is - Green Lantern???
    • Bratvas fighting Bertinelli’s in old Diaz weapon’s cache
    • “Save Me” played when go to Kent Farm; farm same as in Smallville, song is Smallville’s intro
    • Amazo - Ivo labs; Argus made to id meta-powers; nano-adaptive hybrid of Mirakuru serum; Ivo was in previous season of Arrow
    • “Man, it’s not even Tuesday” - said by Ralph; Flash usually airs on Tuesdays
    • Superman music when Clark opens shirt first time; Who are you? “A friend”
    • Red skies - associated with Crisis
    • Kara - on her Earth, Batman and Superman are “frenemies”
    • Arkham inmates: O. Cobblepot (Penguin), P. Isley (Poison Ivy), B. Karlo (Clayface), “What is blue and grey and red all over?”, E. Nigma (Riddler), M. Guggenheim (writer); Bane mask? Fries (cryostasis shut off, has to be cold),
    • Psycho Pirate - has big role with Anti-Monitor; worlds will live, worlds will die (   
    • World’s Finest - in comics, Batman and Superman
    • Diaz is a cop: “I’ve been waiting to do this for a long time” - Diaz to Oliver; similar to their confrontations
    • Superman’s black outfit; “Bizzaro” is heard during Superman/Superman fight
    • Gary! From Legends - bartender; fanboy as always; is he wearing his Time Bureau badge/pin? “Not heroes. Legends”
    • Jimmy Olsen - in rewrite, Superman’s worst pal; in reality, he’s his best pal
    • Slow down time by Earth’s orbit
    • Kara - So this is kind of becoming an annual thing, huh?
  • Crisis on Infinite Earths - teased since Flash S1


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